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[17:01]msiism: So, can we expect the transition to cmake to be complete with the next TDE release?
[17:02]drez: why are we even changing to cmake?
[17:02]msiism: No idea. The wiki says so.
[17:02]drez: silly
[17:03]drez: i don't really see the point honestly
[17:03]drez: it works fine as it is
[17:03]msiism: Well, the transition has already begun, as it seems.
[17:03]drez: and cmake is way more complicated than makefiles
[17:03]drez: but i would like to hear the reasons from the devs
[17:03]drez: well but one still has to use the makefiles to build
[17:03]drez: as if cmake did not exist
[17:04]msiism: I'm asking because I'd rather wait for this to be sorted out because otherwise building TDe is a bit too much of a hassle for me.
[17:04]drez: why?
[17:05]msiism: Added complexity.
[17:05]msiism: I just simply gave up reading the build instructions.
[17:06]msiism: For reference: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/How_to_Build_TDE_Core_Modules#List_of_Packages_Building_with_cmake
[17:07]drez: oh
[17:07]drez: msiism: what is your software distribution based on?
[17:07]msiism: How do you mean?
[17:07]drez: like your distro
[17:08]msiism: Well, I was going to try it on Alpine Linux.
[17:08]drez: uhmmmm
[17:08]drez: i guess you will want to just go package by package
[17:08]drez: unless you make an alpine pkgbuild or whatever you alpine people call it
[17:09]drez: you could base it on the arch building setup
[17:09]msiism: I think it's apkbuild in Alpine lingo.
[17:09]drez: yeah, apkbuild
[17:09]msiism: I was gonna try to build from yource and install to /opt as a first step.
[17:09]msiism: Also because I'm not yet familiar with how to build an Alpine package.
[17:10]drez: i think it's important you learn that now
[17:10]msiism: Well, sure. I have the documentation bookmarked already.
[17:10]drez: unless dude...
[17:10]drez: are you running alpine on your main machine?
[17:10]msiism: No, on my laptop.
[17:10]drez: tbh use something else
[17:10]drez: like dwm
[17:11]drez: tde is pretty big
[17:11]msiism: Nice try. :)
[17:11]drez: nice try what?
[17:11]drez: youre in for a lot of work
[17:11]drez: and its not even your main machine
[17:11]msiism: Full disclosure, the desktop environment on my main mahcine is a self-assembled bunch of stuff around a pretty customized Openbox.
[17:12]drez: trinity would be nicer
[17:12]drez: main advantage: sound effects
[17:12]msiism: It's been like that for years. But I do actually want an integrated desktop application suite.
[17:12]msiism: I wouldn't care about sound effects, though.
[17:12]drez: but it's cool getting a warning and it going diiiing
[17:12]drez: like it's supposed to
[17:12]drez: not just pure silence
[17:13]msiism: I think I once used KDE 3.5 for a bit.
[17:13]msiism: Okay, fait point.
[17:13]msiism: s/fait/fair
[17:13]drez: also yeah
[17:13]drez: give tde a try on your desktop
[17:13]drez: I'm getting a workstation soon actually, and I'm quite sure TDE will run on it
[17:13]drez: I'd run dwm on my laptops
[17:13]msiism: I'm on Devuan oldstable. So, that will also require a bit of work.
[17:14]msiism: Well, I've also got an old spare laptop around…
[17:14]drez: I was on oldstable too
[17:14]drez: I had like 4.5k packages and decided to just reinstall :P
[17:14]drez: didn't have enough space to do the full upgrade
[17:14]msiism: I usually don't have that problem.
[17:14]drez: well the root partition is only 40g
[17:15]msiism: Mine is usually below 15G.
[17:16]msiism: 14G here, says df.
[17:16]drez: I'm using 13G rn
[17:17]msiism: rn?
[17:17]drez: right now
[17:17]msiism: I see.
[17:18]msiism: I'm at about 6.6G used here.
[17:18]msiism: Well, okay, I regularly run `apt-cache clean`. So, I'm chaeting a bit.
[17:19]drez: I never run that :P
[17:19]msiism: :)
[17:19]drez: clean doesn't exist though?
[17:20]msiism: Oh, is it `apt-get clean`?
[17:20]drez: yep
[17:20]msiism: Yep.
[17:20]msiism: Apt…
[17:20]drez: let's see...
[17:20]drez: so now / is using 12g
[17:21]msiism: After running the command?
[17:21]drez: yep
[17:22]msiism: Okay, well…
[17:22]drez: I have 3003 packages installed though
[17:22]msiism: Seems like I have around 1400.
[17:23]msiism is a true minimalist.
[17:23]msiism: ;)
[17:24]msiism: Yeah, anyway, let me try out Trinity on my spare laptop.
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[17:47]msiism: drez: As far as the rational for switching to cmake goes, the wiki says "cmake is the newer, easier, and more maintainable build system the Trinity Project is in the process of porting TDE source to."
[17:47]msiism: s/rational/rationale
[17:47]drez: well they're actually using autotools now
[17:47]drez: i meant before cmake
[17:47]msiism: Right.
[17:47]drez: so...
[17:48]drez: I think it's understandable
[17:48]drez: I thought they just had elaborate makefiles
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[19:42]msiism: Okay, that won't work out as I hoped it would. CD drive causes I/O errors constantly.
[22:33]msiism: Okay, finally managed to get Devuan Chimaera installed. Now installing TDE.
[22:54]msiism: I wonder why is Apt trying to install all this apparently unrelated stuff now.
[22:54]msiism: I should have chosen tdebase-trinity, maybe.
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[23:03]msiism: --no-install-recommends seems to mitigate this.
[23:30]msiism: Okay, first impressions: The default language is probably Czech. I have, for the most part, no idea what the text on the screen is trying to say.
[23:31]msiism: I installed the deb packages.
[23:31]msiism: I think this should probably be switched to English or whatever the system's locale setting is, if any.
[23:34]msiism: Like, what is the second drop down menu in KPersonalizer about?
[23:36]msiism: Okay, well, "Další" then, I guess.
[23:38]SlavekB: Really - you have a set Czech language :)
[23:39]msiism: How do you mean?
[23:39]msiism: It switched to English now, by the way, despite me selecting German. But English will do.
[23:40]SlavekB: did you install package tde-i18n-de?
[23:41]msiism: Good question. I'm not even sure anymore. Let me check.
[23:42]SlavekB: Here are individual packages for individual languages. In the Wiki instructions, tde-I18n-cs is as an example - one of the languages.
[23:42]msiism: Ah, okay. I see now.
[23:43]msiism: Installing tde-i18n-de-trinity…
[23:44]msiism: So, tde-i18n-cs is installed by default then?
[23:45]SlavekB: No, this package has no preference before other packages.
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[23:58]msiism: Wow, even rebooting works immediately.

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